Competition is generally regarded as a good thing. When these people stay in the USA, they generally depress wages and send all the money they earn back to their home countries anyway, which does the rest of the US economy no good at all. Really I'm not sure we should even have any sort of H1-B program at all.
"We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country,"
Complete Bullshit.
What they mean is..."We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country that we can pay low wages and hold hostage with H1-B visas"
The only people tech wages are low for are people that are shit. If you're even half way competent you can trivially demand a good salary in tech.
But the part you quoted is right, there just aren't enough of those good people about. The problem is folks like you are assuming you're qualified for roles you're not qualified for, and assume you deserve salaries that you've not worked for.
I can see when you're in your own bubble why you'd think that, but to those of us who have actually put the effort in to bec
as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states. We eat up EVERY SINGLE ONE that we can get our hands on that is an american citizen or has permanent resident status that is qualified when we have an opening, because going through the process of hiring high end candidates is time consuming and a drain on your resources. If you think we're paying t
Out of curiosity, what do you think of replacing H1B with 15k needed skill new greencards / year?
In addition, it would only be open to companies with American based HQ.
Add to this, offering greencards to all American trained PhDs in needed fields ( I.e. will not be offered to say English or art ).
By removing the H1B, you remove the slavery of it. By not allowing non USA companies, then it means that companies that pay taxes here are the ones getting a say.
Someone please mod the above up, he's nailed why people who are forever in danger of losing their visa at the whim of their employer are more attractive to a certain kind of boss than a local employee.
it is funny how many ppl gripe about the fact that their pay went down, while never noticing the fact that these H1Bs are paid a fraction of what we are paid. That is slavery in every sense of the word.
NASA couldn't find enough qualified people either. So they trained them.
Back in the day I worked at a place that had traineeships and scholarships. Not enough engineers in a few years time due to upcoming retirements? No problem - find some bright kids and pay them to go to university. Put them to work on their holidays. That sort of thing used to happen a lot and some very successful companies did very well that way. My current workplace is doing that on a very small scale, but one decent scientist t
as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states.
Nah, you're just a cheap, lazy bastard. You said so yourself:
we're talking about someone with the background and knowledge to actually do the work that we need to do without spending years training them.
Either pay for what you need or train someone to do what you need. Anything else is unearned corp
See, that implies that we don't have lower end engineers learning these skills that we've hired also, which is false, because we most certainly do. But the competition for these candidates is fierce, so we can't get people to do the work right now that needs to be done while we train them. Your ability to not grasp the obvious is astounding.
Your ability to not grasp the obvious is astounding.
That's your problem in a nutshell: I do grasp the obvious. Either pay market rates for what you want, or train employees to do what you want. Anything else is an unearned corporatist sense of entitlement. You know, like I said the first time.
as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states. We eat up EVERY SINGLE ONE that we can get our hands on that is an american citizen or has permanent resident status that is qualified when we have an opening, because going through the process of hiring high end candidates is time consuming and a drain on your resources.
Wow, you are so desperate for labor that you... can't be bothered to post a link stating the wages, the location, the hours and other employment conditions.
Whine away, instead of doing something practical, like posting a link to a job posting with complete description. What's that? Complaints about "too many" applicants that aren't "good enough"? Then add a damn CS 301 riddle to solve to get the actual application link for interested parties who've already seen the wage and said "Ok, that'll do." The rest o
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Utter Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
"We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country,"
Complete Bullshit.
What they mean is..."We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country that we can pay low wages and hold hostage with H1-B visas"
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"We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates who will work for peanut and 120 hour week in this country". fix that for you.
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The only people tech wages are low for are people that are shit. If you're even half way competent you can trivially demand a good salary in tech.
But the part you quoted is right, there just aren't enough of those good people about. The problem is folks like you are assuming you're qualified for roles you're not qualified for, and assume you deserve salaries that you've not worked for.
I can see when you're in your own bubble why you'd think that, but to those of us who have actually put the effort in to bec
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as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states. We eat up EVERY SINGLE ONE that we can get our hands on that is an american citizen or has permanent resident status that is qualified when we have an opening, because going through the process of hiring high end candidates is time consuming and a drain on your resources. If you think we're paying t
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Someone please mod the above up, he's nailed why people who are forever in danger of losing their visa at the whim of their employer are more attractive to a certain kind of boss than a local employee.
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So they trained them.
Back in the day I worked at a place that had traineeships and scholarships. Not enough engineers in a few years time due to upcoming retirements? No problem - find some bright kids and pay them to go to university. Put them to work on their holidays. That sort of thing used to happen a lot and some very successful companies did very well that way. My current workplace is doing that on a very small scale, but one decent scientist t
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Nah, you're just a cheap, lazy bastard. You said so yourself:
Either pay for what you need or train someone to do what you need. Anything else is unearned corp
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See, that implies that we don't have lower end engineers learning these skills that we've hired also, which is false, because we most certainly do. But the competition for these candidates is fierce, so we can't get people to do the work right now that needs to be done while we train them. Your ability to not grasp the obvious is astounding.
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That's your problem in a nutshell: I do grasp the obvious. Either pay market rates for what you want, or train employees to do what you want. Anything else is an unearned corporatist sense of entitlement. You know, like I said the first time.
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as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states. We eat up EVERY SINGLE ONE that we can get our hands on that is an american citizen or has permanent resident status that is qualified when we have an opening, because going through the process of hiring high end candidates is time consuming and a drain on your resources.
Wow, you are so desperate for labor that you... can't be bothered to post a link stating the wages, the location, the hours and other employment conditions.
Whine away, instead of doing something practical, like posting a link to a job posting with complete description. What's that? Complaints about "too many" applicants that aren't "good enough"? Then add a damn CS 301 riddle to solve to get the actual application link for interested parties who've already seen the wage and said "Ok, that'll do." The rest o
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Apply where, you fucking asswipe?
Wait, do you manage Disney's IT workers who were so incompetent they had to train their own replacements?
Really, fuckers ke you just be shot.
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